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إبراهيم أشعياء عوض interesting. what sort of inventions and why/do you mean inventions like insulin, the light-bulb, or philosophical inventions like Plato's synthesis of Heraclitus and Parmenides?
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Stan Burfield computers, farming, fire, the wheel, printing press, you know. Philosophy is fun. Wars are a way some people die. But cell phones change the course fo history.
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إبراهيم أشعياء عوض yes, and somethings I thought were invented actually evolved.
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إبراهيم أشعياء عوض What was the title of the Ondaantje book you quoted?
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Stan Burfield The Cat's Table
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إبراهيم أشعياء عوض Give me an example.
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إبراهيم أشعياء عوض relish.
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Stan Burfield Ha ha. Well, I guess you could say that all inventions evolved from things that came before them, as did relish. For instance, the rifle evolved from the muscat. The cooking fire probably evolved from the lightning fire.
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إبراهيم أشعياء عوض Ah-ha-ha, that's quite funny. cooking still evolves to suit human needs.
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Stan Burfield Sure like all inventions. Maybe some inventions come from pure curiosity or an excited mind, but they wouldn't go anywhere but the guy's basement.
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Stan Burfield My quote from the Ondaatje book in my previous post was about looking back on how things developed after they've happened. Well, nowdays it's pretty obvious, looking back on the long-term impact of previous wars and of inventions, that it was the inventions that changed the world. In no time, a good invention is everywhere, in every country, no matter who runs the country, or which people hate which people.
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إبراهيم أشعياء عوض it's also kind of tragic that always, the well-to-do, the bourgeoisie, the middle class access and control the technology, and therefore, knowingly or unknowingly determine which voices are heard - so it's rarely for the people, by the people. Michael Ondaatje is a rare and powerful voice of the people. Have you read 'Coming Through Slaughter?
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Stan Burfield I agree. No, this is his first book I've read. I saw The English Patient as a movie, and then got through part of the book but didn't finish it, which is too bad, I can see now.
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إبراهيم أشعياء عوض In The Skin of a Lion is a brilliant novel about building the Harris Filtration Plant in Toronto/highly recommended and just a good read.
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Stan Burfield Ha ha. I always thought it was some exotic adventure in an Eastern country!
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Linda Eva Williams Both, I think. Conflict may arise when said inventions are appropriated by those in power, which may generate conflict.
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Stan Burfield Actually many inventions were invented FOR conflict, and propagated rapidly because of it. But it was always the invention that lasted. Wars alway die out and disappear, along with the killed people. The invention keeps going, and evolves into better and more inventions. The wars always turn out to be just politics, and a lot of emotion.
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Linda Eva Williams Well, most major medical inventions were born out of war: orthopedic surgery, major trauma wounds, plastic surgery, burn treatment, psychological treatment... list goes on.
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Stan Burfield Good point. And they are used in all wars afterwards, and during peacetime.
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